Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Patricia Rorrer was tried and convicted of two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of kidnapping in March 1998, in Lehigh County Court of Common Pleas, for the murder of Joanne Katrinak and her infant son. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. I really never thought of it again.. That said, Im curious to know how you arrived at that decision about her guilt. 18+ When 21-year old Jessie Morrison is brutally beaten to death, police zero in on Vonda Smith. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. And I have absolutely no sympathy. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. 1 talking about this. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Rorrer seems to have had relatively considerable appeals scrutiny of the convicting evidence, to no avail as yet. Theres speculation and theres lies period. Patricia L. Rorrer was taken into custody from the Linwood home she shared with her boyfriend and 1-year-old daughter on June 24, 1997. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. she didnt need to . False. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. 5 years prior to all this happening! She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? I hope and pray the cops and the husband will finally do the right thing. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Puny policy. Sad discovery. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. Why risk an appalling crime just to leave a marriage (though I know that people have and do kill the spouse in these situations, but killing ones children is extremely rare, particularly when not in murder-suicide context). Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. I dont think so. Clifford: I cant offer anything remotely novel or incisive. February 8, 2020. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. Stop. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. Your email address will not be published. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. She was the one that left Andy! Watching this case on tv again today, I returned to this site and noted: I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. Although I would have liked it to be death! A documentary on Youtube Judges for Justice shows a clear case of evidence tampering with regard to the hair. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. I would very much be interested in any comment you can offer in response to my input here. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. It is of course good and desirable that third parties press the case for innocence because it maximises the chance that guilty verdicts are correct (given that it is worse for the innocent to be found guilty than the reverse). So, lets take your response one step at a time. The victims vanished on December 15. . It was Patricias hair no question. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? Chris and Fatima investigate the case of Patricia Rorrer, who is in prison for brutally murdering her former boyfriend's wife and baby out of spite; her lawyers claim that she was . Startling new allegations surround one of Lehigh County's most notorious murder cases. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. She seemed like quite an unlikely suspect - at least at first. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Were I a prosecutor I would consider the aforementioned characterisation technically false and failing in probity. Marcus on Patricia Rorrer: An Update; Rebecca Reisner on Molly and Clay Daniels: Some Body They Didn't Use to Know; Jessica on Molly and Clay Daniels: Some Body They Didn't Use to Know; Archives The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. There appears to be evidence of her disturbed thinking shortly prior to the event (inc her stating she knows who the perp was shortly after but would not identify because its her?) She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. How would an intruder find it? You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. This is the most ridiculous take ever! February 29, 2020. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. To be sure, an appellant does not have to *prove* (convince) of innocence to have been wrongfully convicted (even if they are in fact guilty but I digress). So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. No charmed life. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. Thus Im confident shes the perp probably mentally disturbed at the time (the thought of her rationally, coolly killing her babies is too horrible), though probably not to the standard for criminal mitigation. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Just saying. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Am I missing something? I do. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Exactly I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. It seems so, according to you. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? I can't believe this bitch has a whole internet community rallying for her; have they SEEN the evidence? Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. This woman killed and is where she belongs! Its nine minutes into the video. More hairs there. It makes me sick. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. Answer 1 of 2: We are looking to get the ferry over to Helsinki from Tallin on 27th Dec 2020, so trying to establish if best to get an early (7am) ferry or a slightly later one depending on what time the shops/sight seeing attractions will be open - can anyone. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. You should be ashamed of yourself. Hair we go. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Nope. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. It has very bad energy. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. in tandem with no evidence of home invasion. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Omg so well put! Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? I therefore, perhaps naively, default to the judicial systems eventually getting the decision right. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. He was happy. The District Attorney got this one right. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. How so? This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. What definition? But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. Once you create your profile, you will be able to: Tragedy also touched Patricias life. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. I hope it was only sloppiness of language choice, I refer to your comment of December 22, 2020 at 1:04 pm in which you state, I quote.Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty..
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