Kinda like most private sector unions. Breeze will be a low cost carrier primarily operating point-to-point routes that arent currently served. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. At 5 bucks an hour. 14% below the national average Job openings matching Flight Attendant in Breeze Airways Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time BDL Hartford, CT 30+ days ago Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF Maybe Breeze will also supply its people with high-end meals, as Microsoft and Google provides its extremely well-compensated developer workforce. may be it is totally moronic. Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. That's open, unabashed exploitation of skilled labor in an (only temporary) downtown. There are rules about pilots moonlighting in order to ensure they are properly rested for duty. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. 909 N. Sepulveda Blvd, 11th Floor No we need less and need more solid middle class jobs. Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. All that said, I'm currently COO for a NON-union airline, and we will make sure we pay our pilots (and all employees) fairly with work conditions and benefits that will never have them needing a union to ask for more. Aviation is amazing!! Fares are still way to high in the industry. Fly for less money and less stress. The most important sentence in this article is this the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options. Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance? Guest Service Plan. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. Being paid $1200 a month automatically means that these FAs will have to be going to school as required AND probably working a second job to make ends meet. The average salary for Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways in the United States is $19.64 per hour, which is 14% below the national average. "Filet mignon sandwich?" The company hopes to take flight just over two years later, with service launching later this year. It is a pity that in this country, health care Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. Breeze Now, Pay Later. Or the app crashing? Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. This is Slave wages but should we be surprised this is coming from the same CEO that says Masks are for Morons so all the hard working front line workers that have lost their lives that were wearing masks trying to save folks lives.His mouth has spoken and I have listened on how I will spend my airline travel dollars and it wont be on Breeze. Will they get pilots? So they only want young, pretty, college girls and completely straight acting College guys? A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. Just the other day, the neighborhood Japanese restaurant is using robots to deliver food. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. But lets say you have a couple of days off. You could sit around half a day, everyday, and not get paid for it. The race to the bottom continues. I'm much more concerned about the pilot pay scale than whatever arrangement Breeze works out with its FAs. /s. Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. The low cost price they originally show you is a scam. Also, Breeze Airways may be a good solution for a pilot who only wants to rack up 55 hours each month with a lighter workload. And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. The pay scale also looks good. That sums up who youll be flying behind if you choose to fly on this completely unproven carrier. That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. Its their choice. Posted by 5 minutes ago. The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. . Its not gonna work. Finally, Breeze needs to get its financial footing or their employees could all be forced out on the street. You can work at a lot of fast food places and now get $15 an hour plus benefits. Here's to hoping for an actual pilot shortage in the next few years, and then we'll all be laughing at this ridiculous pay. I'm assuming Breeze knows there's going to be a number of unemployed pilots and $77K+ a year is better than unemployment benefits. What do you make of Breezes approach to hiring? You have successfully joined our subscriber list. While perhaps not quite as controversial, Breezes approach to hiring pilots is also raising some eyebrows, as flagged by @StringAndRuder and @AirlineFlyer. Can't believe. We wont pay for nice things. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. 3) People as interns/college kids: I would like to have a job for life. @rich $15 an hour plus benefits for most fast food jobs are just for the interim. Even brands that truly tried to build a better experience (jetblue, alaska, virgin (rip)) eventually competed mostly on price. 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms And you're worried about the quality of housing? But how does this affect pay for pilots? They cost a lot to train up and cost a lot to manage. Mar 23, 2022 Breeze's minimum qualifications The basic requirements to become a Breeze pilot come down to flight hours. As a college student, I love the idea! Breeze vs. JetBlue pilot pay Here's JetBlue's Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying In other words: Checking in Online. Close. Yes, I am hoping for the best for this start up! That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. The bad news is that there may not be enough hours. Breeze Airways Jobs and Salary Information | Ladders. Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941 -MTS Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. This says to me that the quality of pilot they will be recruiting will be far from the best and hence, an airline to swerve. No one is forcing applicants to accept pay they don't like. Reset Password. In the end I wish people would stop looking at every opportunity through their own eyes and realize that not every job has to be a union job or a job with all the perks of a career. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? Schmucks! Jobs at Breeze Airways - Greenhouse He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. Its unfair pay but it is a fun job and these are weird times. Thanks !! Commuting from another city to work is almost impossible when on reserve. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. Not for everyone - dah. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. This company is bad for the US economy and society. Each model comes with display stand, rolling gears, and is assembled and ready to display. *No insurance provided. I wish you luck in you career and travels. At Breeze, we want to empower and support our Team Members so they can, in turn, empower and support our Guests every step of the journey. New airplane, new business model. There have been several regionals that have gone under recently which have temporarily flooded the market with pilots. My airline had a trip that left LGA early in the morning to CMH. Housing and travel to/from work provided. I'm 41. Glad I was just in time to work and fly through the good times and happily retired now. A new airline that bills itself as "seriously nice" first took to the skies in 2021. 3.Enough may feel 1. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? But after all these furloughed guys get hired, who then? If "older experienced flight attendants" feel somehow entitled to higher pay or don't like the legal work conditions or don't like the fact that being a flight attendant inherently means time away from family, that is not Breeze's problem. Wow, quite a few idiot comments: 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. JetBlue is the only other major US airline to fly Embraer 190/195s, proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, Introduction: Four Times Across The Atlantic. Breeze Airways is a new airline thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021. Merge the Starbucks model into an airline. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Wonder what theyll pay their mechanics and pilots??? This hasnt been without controversy, though. But it may be a great opportunity for some as I said for 1-2 years for a young person. Kendor coming out strongly in favor of Gilded Age company towns, I see. The initiative will see flight attendants be paid a fixed sum of $1,200 each month. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I graduate. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: Thanks for the weird post about the fast food you like, though :). Alaska Airlines Business Card Review: 70K Miles & Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. Breeze Airways | AirlinePilotCentral.com Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). See point 2. Ben -- one thing that seems to be missing from your calculus and the comments: equity. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? These numbers are minimums. For the right crewmember this could be an excellent opportunity. I have no idea if they will be paid CA or FO rate while flying the right seat though. I think it will succeed as long as they can attract enough flight attendants on an ongoing basis. Breeze Airways Jobs & Careers - 22 Open Positions | Glassdoor *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. A place that likes control over everyone and everything, Mormone like. Nevertheless, Breeze Airways is still on track to launch in the US in the first quarter of 2021. sarah nelson & its lazy fugly union peeps should meet north korean & fat Kims firing squads. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. I could not afford to live in SFO and couldn't find another crashpad with openings unless I hot racked. $36.76. When it comes to Breeze Airways, theres good news and bad news. The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. Good luck, Febreeze! There's a lot of old pilots - is Neeleman hiring them because of their looks, or because they know how to fly a plane? It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. I'll have fries with that, thanks. Within a few years, she decided ENT surgery would be somewhat more interesting work and spent more than a decade training up at a resident wages that most union folk would scoff at. If the public and the FAA is satisfied with the drinks they get served and the safety practices that by law must be followed then perhaps there is no reason at all for them to vote with their feet. Eight months later our crashpad lease expired. And I think at the moment there are a lot of pilots looking for work. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. I'm curious how many days on-call per month they have. You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. Whatta country! Tons of excess pilot supply at the moment. This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. Sounds ripe for an age discrimination lawsuit at some point too. This airline is banking on their 4 year contract holding up. Generous contracts of yesteryear reflect a pre-COVID world that is nothing like the current situation. Or what if you Wow, quite a few idiot comments: Age of planes? Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. To eat while traveling. The next step from airlines would probably challenge the FAA rule of 1 FA per 50 pax. share. In other words, the airline is trying to exclude anyone who has a family, a college degree, or is looking to build a career. There will be scheduled 1% pay raises on September 15, 2023, and September 15, 2024. A great position to have in your 20's while you work towards advancing your education or other opportunities. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? It is obvious that ,"Your Highness" doesn't appreciate the one class of employees that can encourage repeat business - because flight attendants are the ONLY employees that have a constant interaction with customers. I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. Airfare provided to go home monthly. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! Nobody knows yet. This seems more in line with what they should be receiving for compensation. I think they are going to offer a lot of things people actually might want to pay for, deliver them speedily and in a high quality way, and make it attractive to buy multiple products. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I As a college student, I love the idea! Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. Getting paid $30-$40,000 isnt enough to keep most from leaving after a year. Mar 22, 2022 #1 Effective immediately: 6-year scale Year 1: $25.00 -27.00 (depending on experience) Year 6: $34.00 . For a certain person, this could be an ideal job. I worked my way through college and I would have LOVED to have free housing provided. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". And the US would have PRETTY PLEASANT FRIENDLY SKIES again. For example, I recently wrote about how Breeze is only hiring flight attendants if they enroll full time in college, and live in company housing. According to the hiring website, the maximum you can work is 60 hours a month and a maximum of 12 days. I wonder what other benefits and tax breaks Breeze gets, in exchange for providing "jobs". There are a finite quantity of qualified pilots and the barrier to entry for that work is significant. I'm a flight attendant for JetBlue Airways and I make $56 per hour, that is, after 15 years but still. And that doesn't include per diem. pilots from the majors who took retirement might jump at the chance to fly again. Read on. Breeze Airways Relaxes Flight Attendant Hiring Policy Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. Having been a flight attendant I can tell you 15 days is not part time. But.can't raise interest. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? You can't have a million dollar dream with minimum wage work ethics. Breeze knows this. There are highly educated older people sitting around and posting on onemileatatime.com somewhat bored while a high-earning spouse pulls down a large salary. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly They better start changing the pilot pay or pilots will start leaving to China and make real time money up there . Guess which days you're going to be working? So, before any taxes at all, they would be looking at $20-30/hr. Why Do Airlines Oversell (& Overbook) Flights? Students hired by Breeze under the program, however, can only work as flight attendants while they are completing the university course. I wonder if its plausible he could bring some pilots up from Azul to fill gaps if US pilots arent too interested? Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. If adults want to work the jobs Breeze offers and are satisfied with it then there is no cynical exploitation, even though legacy unions might wish that it were so. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. No Per Diem. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Just as the cure for high prices, are high prices, the cure for low wages, are low wages. Glassdoor provides our best prediction for total pay in today's job market, along with other types of pay like cash bonuses, stock bonuses, profit sharing, sales commissions, and tips. There are young people for whom a collegial work environment and highly social university-style housing would be quite appealing while they build skills. 4. Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. Posts: 36,185. Poor, poor me. Nah man, cars suck. The Dept. To work part-time only, with no benefits, as an "intern". It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. This means pilots (not just new pilots ) are out there making with the government wants minimum wage to be. Fingers crossed and ready to go! Housing is a huge hurdle for new flight attendants. My starting pay clear back in 1983 was1500/month! If a pilot gets into a successful start up, the long term benefit to quality of life could be substantial and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on the same route regardless of what they think of labor rights or real college education. *No insurance provided. Filet mignon is perhaps being used intentionally as an example of something you can't buy onboard even a full service airline but which many people would pay for. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? May be this a good business model. The estimated base pay is $3,842 per month. Does New Carrier Breeze Airways Pay Pilots Enough. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners, Pilots generally get paid for flight hours; the hourly rate might seems high, but pilots arent getting paid for anywhere close to 40 hours per week of work, Pay varies depending on whether youre captain or first officer, and each year your pay typically increases, up to a certain cap, Other than hourly pay, one other important metric is minimum guaranteed monthly hours, since guaranteed hours multiplied by hourly pay guarantees your minimum monthly pay, First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six, Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six, Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), A first officer is looking at earning $36,300 in the first year, and $62,040 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $77,220 in the first year, and $94,380 in the sixth year, In absolute terms these are above average salaries in the US, However, pilot training is expensive, and an Embraer 195 has nearly 120 seats, so its bigger than your typical regional jet; also, the airline will eventually fly A220s, and presumably pay wont be much better, Breeze is expecting more from pilots than regional airlines, as applicants already need a type rating for Embraer aircraft, and also need more experience, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to JetBlue pilot pay, since, Lets compare Breeze pilot pay to SkyWest pilot pay; pilots often go to regional airlines to gain experience early on, and this typically represents the lowest pay youll find in the airline industry, First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying, A JetBlue Embraer 190 first officer is looking at earning $80,100 in the first year, and $117,000 in the sixth year, A JetBlue Embraer 190 captain is looking at earning $172,800 in the first year, and $182,700 in the sixth year, First officers are paid $45 per hour in year one, and $59 per hour in year six, Captains are paid $79 per hour in year one, and $91 per hour in year six, Pilots are guaranteed pay for 76 hours per month of flying, A first officer is looking at earning $41,040 in the first year, and $53,808 in the sixth year, A captain is looking at earning $72,048 in the first year, and $82,992 in the sixth year, The most unreasonable part of Breezes pay arrangement is the minimum guaranteed hours, rather than the hourly rate as such; everyone needs a certain amount of money to cover their bills, and the minimum monthly amount sure is low, Breeze is essentially trying to pay like a regional airline, while requiring more experience to get hired (pilots need to be type rated on Embraer aircraft, and need 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time), Between the flight attendant employment arrangement and the pilot pay, it doesnt seems like Breeze is trying to build a culture that encourages employees to stay with the company long term, It takes years (and a lot of money) to get to the point where you can get this job, youre flying a plane that retails for tens of millions of dollars, and you have the lives of nearly 120 people at a time in your hands, and youre potentially being paid ~16% above a $15 minimum wage (which we have in many cities nowadays). Their value is astronomical. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month - One Mile at a Time 2) Free Travel! Well what about Maintenance. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. Sad that people in society know what's best for everybody else and don't want people making their own decisions. 2. No thank you! Breeze Airways provides nonstop service between underserved routes across the U.S. at affordable fares. The pay scale also looks good. FO Adam absolutely nailed it. It was not seen until uploaded/posted :(. It's extremely spot on that the second comment on this article was written by a guy whose photo is a selfie in his car while wearing sunglasses. They paid $3.50 an hour. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. so yes their work force has negotiated rates based on the companies success. The *interns* that get suckered into this are clearly being taken advantage of and exploited. I think Breeze will likely be cheaper while SW offers 2 free checked bags. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. An economy and society needs its worker bees as much as (more than?) Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. And there are always plenty more ready to come into the pipeline. . Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. The company may credit new hires for any prior active years of service at another Part 121/135 air carrier or at a Mesa-affiliated pilot development program for purposes of calculating years of service for compensation, vacation, and retirement. I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. Wont fly them with this info. It's that, or FO Adam absolutely nailed it. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. Take it easy. Attn: Airline Pilot Central CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. What do you make of these Breeze insights? There is no contract (at will employment) and health insurance is provided and optional. Ive written in the past about Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, which requires being enrolled in college and living in company housing. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. The benefit of getting on right now at Breeze is seniority in the future. In the past, he has always favored taking care of his employees. This is absolutely exploitive. There's a good chance that well-spoken, polished, and slightly tired surgeon you call "doctor", who has "MD" on their snappy-looking business card, and who so patiently listens to all of your ailments and deep thoughts about dizziness and tinnitus is a resident physician, AKA an intern.
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