Horror Short Film "Outer Darkness" | ALTER | Online Premiere 31,262 views Mar 31, 2022 Subscribe to ALTER on YouTube: https://goo.gl/LnXRC3 .more .more 1K Dislike Share Save Description. The LDS version of the King James Bible and the Book of Mormon help us to understand that the word black is actually a Hebrew idiom, meaning gloomy, dejected, or spiritual darkness, and has nothing to do with skin tone. Nephis words can thus be applied to Jesus parable: the reason the rich man could not cross the great gulf to Abrahams bosom, or the reason the wicked could not join the Saints of God at the tree of life, is because the justice of God does not permit it. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Doctrines of Salvation2:220). In Mormonism, it depends. How impossible would it be for a former Mormon (with full knowledge, even!) First of all, to become a son of perdition, you need to have been baptized into the church, then turned from the religion in order to fight against it, all the while knowing it is true. I was taught that to be condemned to outer darkness you would have to deny Christ to his very face and that could occur . Those who have never received the light are not to become Sons of Perdition. Lets go to modern revelation: that there would be no daughters of perdition. Joseph F. Smith Stan Larsen, ed., A Ministry of Meetings: The Diaries of Rudger Clawson, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Smith Associates and Signature Books, 1993) p. 560, Somebody called me up on the telephone and asked if there were daughters of perdition. 12:16), hell which hath no end (1 Ne. 2. While John could be referring to the sons of perdition in this passage, the specific sins he identified are characteristic of those who will suffer in hell but, after experiencing their part in the lake of fire, will be released from their torment and be resurrected to a telestial glory (see D&C 76:10312). If this is the case, the worst fate any former Latter-day Saint can anticipate is the telestial kingdom. Italics in original). This is a Son of perdition. We will, however, address some of the portrayals of other LDS beliefs and practices that were depicted in this episode. 3:12), the tares are gathered and burned in the fire (Matt. 2. Dennis L. Largey, Hell Second Death, Lake of Fire and Brimstone, and Outer Darkness, inThe Book of Mormon and the Message of the Four Gospels, ed. Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are sons of perdition. According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). Required fields are marked *. (Matt. Wilford Woodruff in a meeting with the apostles, 1893 D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1997) p. 795. 9:1012, 1516). Is outer darkness reserved for apostate LDS? - Ask Gramps T F It is practically impossible for those who were human to ever be sent to Outer Darkness. 67, LDS Church Archives. Outer Darkness - Mormonism, The Mormon Church, Beliefs, & Religion (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881.). Mormon Hell, Sons of Perdition and Outer Darkness - YouTube The Outer Darkness Dilemma - Official Website of the ex-Mormon Apologist 12:22; Morm. Who goes to Outer Darkness, a handy guide - Exploring Mormonism 1:18). 5:30). In contrast, Book of Mormon references to the second death are embedded in sermons that teach it in context with other essential elements of the plan of salvation. 9:16; emphasis added). The Prophet Joseph Smith would not countenance the teaching of this doctrine, and sanctioned the decision of the bishop that any who taught it should be barred from communion (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 125). Smith told a general conference audience: I think I am safe in saying that no man can become a Son of Perdition until he has known the light. In this context, outer darkness is the spirit prison, or that part of the spirit world that the wicked inhabit prior to their resurrection. The prophet Alma described the disposition of those in outer darkness: And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evilfor behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their houseand these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil (Alma 40:13; cf. Crash Course Mormonism: Outer Darkness - Mormonism Research Ministry For those born in this life, the person must be a former member who knew Mormonism was true but still rebelled and went against the truth while still knowing it was true. Temporary abode of the wicked. Circumcision. If you want to make the point that Mormon Prophets have said some weird stuff, I am all for it. Here is one more thing to think about: I work full time with a Christian ministry aimed at converting Mormons. Outer Darkness is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the Sons of Perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. ( Miracle of Forgiveness 129-30) The Lord Will Judge For persons not to receive forgiveness neither in this world nor in the world to come does not mean that they will be cast into outer darkness, for the sin of murder can be pardoned even though it is unforgivable. Okay so clearly we have billions of souls who qualify as perdition and go to outer darkness according to one prophet in his personal books and not officially speaking as a prophet. Learn how your comment data is processed. While this is true, please define Mormon Doctrine before saying I did not quote Mormon Doctrine. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. You'll need to do a few things to get the most out of your ex-Mormon candle. Smith described these spirits who were the first to display rebellious ways: Lucifer became perdition by rebellion. Gregory A. Boyd, Paul R. Eddy Across the Spectrum: Understanding Issues in Evangelical Theology pp285 2009 "For example, how can hell be a place of outer darkness (Matt. The Book of Mormon also teaches that by coming unto Christ, one can escape the pains of hell experienced in this life. It also adds insight that, when blended with other essential doctrines, offers a more complete understanding of the plan of salvation. The ExMo Candle Co. - lighting outer darkness together Yea, behold, this death bringeth to pass the resurrection, and redeemeth all mankind from the first deaththat spiritual death; for all mankind, by the fall of Adam being cut off from the presence of the Lord, are considered as dead, both as to things temporal and to things spiritual. But unofficial prophets speaking at BYU or in their own books say no, except Brigham in the Journal of Discourses which is unofficial. Yes, they were said by Prophets of their church. 21:8; see also 19:20). If Lucifer had not known the effects of his rebellion, how would he ever become perdition? The Book of Mormon contains six references to the second death: one reference by Jacob (Jacob 3:11), three by Alma (Alma 12:16, 32; 13:30), and two by Samuel the Lamanite (Hel. Yea, and it bringeth to pass the condition of repentance, that whosoever repenteth the same is not hewn down and cast into the fire; but whosoever repenteth not is hewn down and cast into the fire; and there cometh upon them again a spiritual death, yea, a second death, for they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness. And I said unto them that our father also saw that the justice of God did also divide the wicked from the righteous; and the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire, which ascendeth up unto God forever and ever, and hath no end (1 Ne. outer darkness. 5:22), as were those who failed to cast away their sins (JSM 5:34; cf. So, if you are directly listing to Satan, like Cain, and actively turning away from God, like Cain, then you can become a Son of Perdition. For many are called, but few are chosen." Oh yes they did: after a man has sinned the sin against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for himlike many of the apostates of Christof the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This is the second death. Italics in original). Source: https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf. Jesus also referred to outer darkness in two parables he gave during the last week of his life. Thus, the second death is taught in conjunction with the first death, which came as a consequence of the Fall of Adam and Eve, and also with the Atonement of Jesus Christ, which redeems all of humankind from the first death through resurrection and the second death through repentance. I can give you more than plenty of examples of that. A Vision, Times and Seasons 4 (1 Feb 1843) 6:82-5. Woman must atone for sins committed by the volition of her own choice, but she will never become an angel to the devil, and sin so far as to place herself beyond the reach of mercy. Brigham Young Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. But to pass it off as a belief of an entire Church, organization and people is wrong. Hence, the very worse lot in their lives will be the telestial kingdom. The sinner must deal with the self-created gulf on his own, with the help of the Savior and his Atonement. Each person must reap the harvest of the seeds sown in this life. Those who have never received the light are not to become Sons of Perdition (Conference Reports, October 1958, p. 21). Clearly you dont know what is and is not doctrine, and are trying to throw shade. But behold, the resurrection of Christ redeemeth mankind, yea, even all mankind, and bringeth them back into the presence of the Lord. They have said things much stranger and I am sure you know of them. Mormon doctrines are often contradictory and inconsistent. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). There are three references to outer darkness in the New Testament, all contained in the Gospel of Matthew. Provo, UT 84602 10:28). ", Learn how and when to remove this template message, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outer_darkness&oldid=1136269337, This page was last edited on 29 January 2023, at 15:14. The Book of Mormon contains one reference to outer darkness. The punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, D&C 19:10-12. There are three references that connect the judgment with a lake of fire and brimstone, and two references to a lake of fire. However, the use of the word fire in connection with judgment and the torment of the wicked is widespread throughout the Gospels. It is provided through Christ's atonement and received by personal faith in Christ as Savior and Lord. FAIRMormon says on this page even: When any man, except the President of the Church, undertakes to proclaim one unsettled doctrine, as among two or more doctrines in dispute, as the settled doctrine of the Church, we may know that he is not moved upon by the Holy Ghost, unless he is acting under the direction and by the authority of the President. This is not an easy thing to do unless you are choosing to do so while being fully aware that you are doing so. Through his Atonement, Resurrection, and ministry in the spirit world, Christ provided a bridge by which repentant souls could cross the gulf from hell to spiritual freedom. (Conference Reports, October 1958, p. 21. Only a handful of "sons of perdition" would go. Hell - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints We found these portrayals to be highly inaccurate. Ray L. Huntington and Terry B. The second possible sons of perdition are mortals. So I thought Id get it all out there in one simple post. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of Godbanished entirely from his presence. As Joseph Fielding Smith put it, those mortals who fit into this nebulous category of sons of perdition will suffer permanently while the worst of the worst sinners will suffer only temporarily before receiving a kingdom of glory. 8 - 14 are for safety. 16:811)meaning to be left with those who would partake of that permanent hell reserved only for those who, as Jacob stated, are filthy still.. Conclusion Today, interpretation of these "outer darkness" verses are a subset of Protestant discussion on hell and annihilationism. 4. Latter Day Saint beliefs on hell are connected with the movement's doctrines of the plan of salvation, the degrees of glory and the telestial kingdom. For many years, those who have forfeited their membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints may have been told by other Mormons that they were Sons of Perdition destined for Outer Darkness. The Nephites became so wicked, that contemplating murder was a source of happiness. Plagiarism and The Globe a comparative analysis, The Shunning Key by bwv549 - Mormon Bandwagon, https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition_(Mormonism), https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf, https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, LDS Church and Same Sex Marriage Timeline, The Pump LDS film and the original source, Ethan Smith, Hyrum Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Solomon Spaulding connections. 40 talks in 40 days for General Conference, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. According to tenth President Joseph Fielding Smith. Latter-day Saints understand hell to be a literal place and/or stateeither the temporary hell in the spirit world where the unjust suffer in a state of torment until they are resurrected to a telestial glory (D&C 76:8185, 98112), or the permanent hell where the wicked (the sons of perdition) continue to suffer eternally after the resurrection (D&C 76:37, 4548). 21:8). Outer Darkness, I always heard, was reserved for a handful of suckers like Cain and Judas who saw God and/or Jesus and were still rebellious. In Christianity, it is understood that anyone who denies the holy spirit goes to outer darkness, but they see it as a synonym for Hell. - Wilford Woodruff in a meeting with the apostles, 1893 D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1997) p. 795. . This is a place very close in nature to the biblical hell. You not only need to have been a Mormon, but you have to have full knowledge that this is the restored church of God and still fought against it. The Sons of Perdition are those who have lived as mortal men and women on the earth, have had the heavens opened to them and received a certain knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, and then have rejected the Savior, "having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame" (Doctrine and Covenants 76:34-35; see also Doctrine and Covenants 76:3133, 3637). Outer Darkness - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints It also teaches that the Atonement ransoms humankind from physical death through the resurrection and from spiritual death, or hell, through repentance. Whether Christians have believed hell to be literal or figurative, the New Testament metaphor of an unquenchable lake of fire has conjured up for believers in the Bible harsh images of souls consigned to never-ending punishment as recompense for their evil deeds done while on earth. Source: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition. . The Book of Mormon also makes reference to everlasting fire (2 Ne. Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation ). 23:15). Okay, so Cain, we have one guaranteed person according to no citation whatsoever. In this state of torment Alma remembered his fathers teachings about Jesus Christ and his redemptive mission. Even the wicked of the earth who never knew the power of God, after they have paid the price of their sinningfor they must suffer the excruciating torment which sins will bringshall at last come forth from the prison house. . Banishment from the glory of God. In the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), "outer darkness" has two separate meanings.. . These are they who do two very specific things. One of these guests, however, appeared without the proper wedding attire. In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a son of perdition is a person who will not take part in the glory of God in the afterlife. Sorry ladies, you cant actually apostatize from the church, I guess (Someone tell Kate Kelly her excommunication is not valid!). T F Once a spirit enters Outer Darkness, there will be no leaving there. The city of Capernaum was upbraided for its lack of faith in view of the miracles Jesus performed there. That Satan rebelled against Christ and God the Father and was cast out with all of Satans followers and will not receive a body. Just because Hitler, Mao, and Stalin along with Judas Iscariot (as mentioned above) never became Latter-day Saints apparently provides them with a much higher privilegea life in the telestial kingdom over those who once believed but left the true fold, kicking and screaming in their continued fight against the restored church of Jesus Christ. 5. Add an RSC shortcut to this device's Homescreen, In the menu, scroll past any icons and tap. No exact details are given. To qualify, a person would not only have to leave the Mormon church but also vehemently speak against it. 1. 8:13). The Book of Mormon discusses with great clarity the ultimate punishment reserved exclusively for the sons of perdition, or those who are filthy still (2 Ne. Becoming a son of Perdition is hard therefore going to outer darkness is hard. 9:710, 19, 26). Outer Darkness Definition - Mormonism Research Ministry Mormon Wiki, for example has a pretty specific definition of who doesnt go there but lacks any citations: Sons of Perdition as those few souls who have been born on this earth who have been made partakers of Gods power, yet suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy God by denying the Holy Spirit after having received it, denying the Only Begotten Son and put him to an open shame. They openly and knowingly fight against God and Christ, having sided with Satan even though they had once tasted of full gospel knowledge by the power of the Holy Ghost.There are those who fear that they have committed the unpardonable sin, because they have not been faithful members of the Church.
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