For more information on how to protect yourself from bears, visit the website of your local hunting or outdoors store. Youre not. BLACK BEARS: Ill have to ask what brand he has. I am skeptical. When carrying 44 mag ammo for bear protection, it is also important to be aware of the range at which you are likely to encounter the animal. Based on the .375 H&H, the .338 will send a 300-grain Barnes bullet out the barrel at 2500 fps with a devastating 4,100 ft.-lbs. Need to read Elmer Keiths accounts of animal attacks in Hell, I was there. Talk about stopping power. Whats your excuse? Alaskan moose hunters Doug White and Reed Thompson were working on packing out the meat and head from a successful hunt. Remember that handguns are not as powerful as rifles and may not provide enough penetration on larger bears. Since grizzlies tend to be more aggressive than black bears, more problem encounters occur with grizzlies than other bear species. Nelson says after about 20 shots, his wrist starts to swell and he can no longer shoot. Taylor Knock Out Factor. .73 ( 3 ) 12 GA Slug 437.5 gr @ 1760 FPS (3008/ ft lbs): 81. Less felt recoil means a delf defense pistol that many small frame shooters can handle. The 44 magnum is no exception. While it is extremely effective, the main reason its been so widely-used is because shotguns like the Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are a fraction of the price of bolt-guns and, in turn, thats what the government has provided to its employees. Hundreds of bear attacks? Great choice. Henrys newest single shot is easy to carry and sports fiber-optic sights and a turkey choke for deadly tight patterns. Some of them are like a fog. 1. To answer the question completely, we would need to evaluate the . So, I asked about this. The bears run in and out of the visual field of the video camera. For big bear defense handguns, the Smith & Wesson 629 is hard to beat. Craig Boddingtons new book dispels the myth that carrying a handgun in big bear country is effective in stopping a bear. . But whenever he's in an area with a serious and credible grizzly threat, he likes his 12-gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. AT 1.82 per round, I can afford to go to the range to hone my skills. Had he chosen to come my direction, theres no telling what would have happened. Developed in 1976 by Ken Waters as a wildcat cartridge, the 7-30 Waters is based on the .30-30 Winchester necked down to 7mm to improve velocity and trajectory, with a significant drop off in felt recoil. Ultimately, it is important to choose a round that you are comfortable shooting and that provides the best chance of stopping an attacking bear. I carry both, with bear spray on my left side and a .44 on my right, so IF the bear spray fails Im not completely f-ed. They have been documented stalking humans, attacking without provocation, eating humans they killed and more. The statistics lie with the .44 magnum as an effective handgun against a grizzly bear attack. Your fat. First, I give you credit for confronting a critic, and also for being civil. Comparatively, the 44-magnum ammunition I prefer to carry for bear defense is much cheaper than some. He said that handguns stop attacking bears almost 100% of the time. I live in a small native village in bush Alaska. A 12-gauge shotgun and slug will deliver impressive energy and is effective to moderate ranges. I grew up half the time in Alaska and the other half in Seattle. I believe I said the other day, .44 Rem Mag FTW! I have fifteen articles on the Alaskan revolver in my archives, and i learned something from them all. Generally speaking, though, most 44 Magnum rounds should be able to stop a black bear or grizzly in its tracks. Above the lower 48 states, as you get farther and farther north, black bears do get bigger and bigger, more and more aggressive, and more and more dangerous, and you just might have to shoot one. The 44 Magnum is a powerful handgun, but it is not powerful enough to guarantee a one-shot kill on a bear. cartridges like 7mm Rem, which are both versatile and dependable. and 2700 fps, thus delivering massive energy on target. He was able to stop the attack by shooting the bear as it charged at him. He was a brave soul. I was driving along an overland trail, about to cross a small creek and pop back out onto the beach of our lake. Cause theyd be weaponless from the a _ _ rape theyd get coming through Canada. TWO OR FOUR LEGS , SLITHERS OR SWIMS( ATTACKED BY SHARKS ONCE, HAD .223 BANG STICK THANK YOU VERY MUCH, END OF SHARK AND ATTACK) BE PREPARED. But while our hands were fresh we shot the revolver first. Do not go into bear country without a firearm; preferably a 12-gauge shotgun w/ slugs and/or 00 buckshot, a lever-action .45-70, a .44 magnum revolver, a 10mm semiautomatic with full-power ammo, an AK-47, and an AR-10 are all decent options. There are some books out on bear attacks as well. All of that being said, in my past 4 years in Alaska, you know how many times Ive been attacked by a bear? Im comfortable carrying the .38, with better bullets, where I hunt. No, but if he cant get his long gun out its better than a knife or bare hands (pardon the pun). The beauty of the .454, however, is that you can practice with .45 Colt rounds and save yourself a bit of recoil trauma. Using the Mag. However, bigger is not always better in my opinion. I found the account as I was searching for bear attacks where pistols had been used as a defensive measure. Male grizzlies will defend their territory to the death. No, Dean said he read someone elses reseach (greatwhitehunter), and he provided a link to read it.Its fine that he did so. Its also been incredibly popular among Alaskan hunters and guides, especially in lever-actions like Marlins 1895 Guide Gun, which is compact, fairly lightweight and highly maneuverable in close quarters. Holy shit you have some serious issues. As he fell, he bit at the ground and ended up with a mouthful of sod. Mossberg 500 vs 590: Which Shotgun Is Right for You? Yet the .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum handgun produces 2,254 ft.-lbs. In general, you should always try to avoid any conflict with bears if possible. Please send your references, links preferred. I doubt any bear could withstand two quick rounds from this one to the head! Startled bears can be extremely volatile as can those with a fresh kill if they perceive that you are threatening to take their dinner. What matters more is the right bullet. If I carried any handgun for self defense, Id only load it with one roundfor myself. I agree with what you say about the .38 in a large animal. You have a bone to pick with Dean and your bias is showing thru. Can a .44 Magnum L5 Desert Eagle stop a Bear attack? Assumption. Best thing in the world? Kim had a Glock model 20 10 mm pistol with him. of energy at the muzzle. Since then, I have switched to a GunfightersINC chest holster. Youve all read how much ground a bear can cover in a few seconds..he kept his cool and did everything right once the holster fiasco was passed. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. You have avoided your burden of proof, and I have a problem with that. 44 Magnum ammo should do the trick though! 44 mag ammo can help you do just that. Aim for the head or heart if possible. TTAG has lots of writers who are smarter than him when it comes to the woods and guns. Sep 17, 2005. My cousin lives in AK and Ive helped him dress a bear. I cast and powder coat these: Proper 9mm bullets yield sufficient penetration in soft tissue, but it may not stop a bear quickly enough to avoid being mauled. has 780 ft.-lbs. A well placed shot from a .44 Magnum will penetrate both shoulders of a black bear with ease. We have a winner! 2017 by Dean. Then you have to get on target which is easier with a shorter, lighter gun. (Another was uncovered after I wrote the last article.) For general backpacking in grizzly country, MeatEater Founder Steven Rinella has carried both bear spray and a .44 Magnum revolver. Aim is critical too and handguns just arent accurate, nor can they match a rifle let alone a a rifle that needs hard cast bullets for this job anyways. Finally, always remember that proper shot placement is key when using 44 mag ammo for bear defense. I READ STORIES ABOUT THE GUIDE WHO KILLED THE BEAR WITH A 9MM ( LUCKY ALL I CAN SAY AND HE KNEW BETTER ME THINKS THAN TO CARRY SUCH IN BEAR COUNTRY) AND ALSO THAT MONSTER GRIZZ SHOT IN ALASKA AFTER HE KILLED AT LEAST TWO HIKERS AND TOOK ON GOVERNMENT HUNTER ON DEER HUNT WHO EMPTIED 7MM INTO HIM AND BEAR FINALLY DROPPED AT HIS FEET. Feel free to reach out to us or read our affiliate disclosure and privacy policy. They did not have a .44 magnum. Since the bear usually knows where you are long before you are aware of the bear, your reaction time may be considerably less than 4.5 seconds. Generally speaking, though, most 44 Magnum rounds should be able to stop a black bear or grizzly in its tracks. I stood in a dumbfounded stupor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OniKk-UUWD8, 35 Whelen for Elk: The Perfect Caliber for North American Big Game. Be prepared to take down more than one bear if necessary. Using any handgun is near suicide. {vacant stare}, I have lived and hunted here in Alaska for 40+years, have been face to face with bears here on a few occasions, Black, Brown, Grizzly, And Polar, Every encounter was different, only once, (so far) have I had a have to shoot situation, My hunting partner (from lower 48) and I had boated up a wonderful wilderness river, and everywhere we stopped, was covered with bear tracks, (Grizzly) ( we were Moose hunting) We stopped and made a fire and had dinner, just after dinner (8PM) my partner says BEAR!! i.e. Take your time in selecting a shot and make sure to take into account distance, windage, and elevation. Sorry Scotty, but you missed again. Take a deep breath and realize this is an anonymous Internet forum. Black bears are responsible for more human deaths and mauling s than griz and brown bear combined! But they dont have sense enough to get out of the way of a truck. Bears can be very dangerous when theyre angry, so its best to stay out of their reach. These are the most vulnerable areas on a bear. All in the family wish him nothing but the best, however his violent and irrational demeanor makes him a true pariah and danger to himself and anyone around him. Human beings in the woods. According to Hornady's data, the XTP bullets from a 7.5-inch barrel clock at 1350 fps and generate . It is loaded with the best bear ammo that their internet research recommends. Looking at delivered energy gives us a better idea of how the 44 magnum stacks up against other popular handgun cartridges suitable for bear defense. But I always heard that bear spray worked better than a gun. Good on him for having the clarity of mind to make such a shot, and for having the appropriate ammo in an appropriate caliber such that it could actually travel through a large bear and disrupt the spine and cause such a necessary instantaneous stop. It doesnt mean anything. As Nelson points out, the first shot may end the charge but doesnt always kill the bear, which means its handy to have a rifle that can make the longer follow-up shot. 6. The key to using .44 Magnum to successfully stop a large grizzly bear attack is using heavy, hardcast lead bullets and having a 6+ inch barrel to boost muzzle velocity (over short-barreled revolvers). As soon as I rounded the corner I spotted a probably 900lb brown bear, not barely 20yds away. At that distance, a shooter has roughly four seconds to make a charge-stopping shot, which requires a steady hand under intense pressure. When one of us has an animal down, one guts, the other stays ready for a bear. So thst you can show all the unknowable how absurd and violent they behive. Over thousands of generations that adds up. .338 Winchester Magnum The favorite among Alaskan guides as a backup gun, the .338 Winchester Magnum was released in 1958 as belted, rimless cartridge. This stopped many tigers that had attacked the hunters riding atop elephants in India! Mag. And that was from a pretty stout rifle round, .300 Win Mag IIRC. I was born and raised there. Now that you mention it, my wife was the one that told me Right after asking if the life insurance was up to date, It might have continued on to hit the spine, resulting in the instant collapse of the bear.. The article is not an argument against carrying a long gun, but a reason to carry a good back up as well. Im pretty sure Ive seen you as a full-time, Soros-funded troll over at The Federalist. The more energy and penetration the better, provided you dont select a firearm thats too powerful for you to adequately manage. The result, of course, was the .50 Alaskan. In some cases, it may not even penetrate the bear's thick hide. SEEMED GOOD EDUCATION AS MADE IT HOME DUE TO FASTER DRAW AND ONLY 4 HOLES IN ME, MANY MORE IN TWO LEGGED BEARS WITH RED STAR BELT BUCKLES. Your comment is just what the doctor ordered. Luck by definition means the odds are against you. Of absolute importance when you choose a handgun caliber for bear defense, stopping power is at the top of the list. Very difficult to do, but an absolute guaranteed instant stopper. This is why Forest Rangers use a slug (.73 cal = 12GA) a poor mans elephant gun under 50 yards that rivals a .458 Win Mag. . of energy from the muzzle. You have to do more than say there are books out there, you have to read em. LOL . I am not looking to go toe to toe with a Grizzly, but if I am out bow hunting or have set down my rifle to gut a deer it is far better to have a handgun that will effectively penetrate a large animal than to scramble for my rifle if I get charged. I have a more-than-full-time job except when I have the flu,like today,and Im not going to write your articles for you. It wasnt a challenge or snub to anyone, really. I dont have any particular issue with what youve said so far, but you must understand that by refusing to give any actual citation of your sources you are undermining your own argument. And those rifleslike the Marlin 1894 or Ruger 77/44are lightweight, compact, and ideal for hound. With a 3-inch barrel and a six-shot cylinder combining for a weight of just 25 ounces, this gun was made to be both carried and shot. So, people are mauled by bears. But energy doesn't kill animals, tissue damage kills them. Stay safe out there! I could not figure out how it held the gun in place, so I grabbed the buckle and attempted to rip it off. Unless and until you provide evidence to support the claim, thats all it is; a claim. Favorites include, from top, an S&W in .44 Mag, a Dan Wesson in .445 SuperMag and a single-action Ruger chambered in .41 Magnum. So yes, I did do my homework before opening my big mouth. 1. Anybody? Keep in mind that you might need a Magnum load to propel a heavy bullet to a decent velocity. If you are carrying a handgun for self-protection against black bear, be sure to practice with it beforehand so that you are proficient in its use. I am not sure I can perform this feat with a 450 Casull or a .460 S&W. There are other downsides to carrying larger firearms that may not pose as big a problem for some people. Doug shot the bear and stopped the attack. Hes an intelligent and well-educated man who honestly believes his own be-afraid B.S., but its still be-afraid B.S. I prefer to carry a flat nose jacketed bullet. You need to drop it in its tracks and firing off many multiple rounds, otherwise with that much recoil will be like the miracle in Pulp Fiction. The majority of my travel is either via ATV or Snowmachine, while not on foot. And as I said at the git-go, a hell of a lot of hunters have been mauled by grizzlies after they shot them. Is it fun to shoot? Hes a fear pimp. It might have continued on to hit the spine, resulting in the instant collapse of the bear. You should instead be astonished of its success and dominance instead of blaming it on things like youre made up fake news. Bear Gun Shootout: The .44 Magnum. Sure looks like a bunch of weakling dodging on your part, Hank. We have to do better. Thorofare Country south of Yellowstone, Grizzly at 10 feet, .44 magnum and .357 magnum, September, 2013 (report from 2015) Then at about 2:45 p.m., a collared boar grizzly identified as bear No . When youre out in the wild, its important to be prepared for anything. of energy. You criticize Dean, he responds and asks you to provide a source for your criticism, and then you refuse, and do so in a self-righteous manner? Make sure to have several encounters. 1. Sorry, theres what you read and then theres real life. Many bear attacks happen in brush where a shorter draw is preferable. But I can count em well enough to know it was a lot more than the tiny sample of 29 that he cherry-picked to scare you. But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life?. 8. We must not have read the same post. Personally, multiple rounds at close range with 00 buck will rip your fucking eyeballs out, no matter what you are. For hiking and camping, I prefer a chest rig. These things WILL hurt you and & then kill you: NOT A SHILL FOR BUFFALO BORE, REMINGTON, HORNADY OR WINCHESTER, BLACK HILLS OR OTHERS BUT JUST LIKE THE WAY THEY HAVE ALWAYS HELPED ME SELECT THE PROPER ROUND FOR THE SITUATIONS I WOULD BE IN. Lessons learned . The latest way appears to be an app called CamoSpace, designed specifically for members of the hunting community. The 44 Magnum offers several advantages over the bigger calibers especially if you pick the right firearm. Some sites would have you thinking you can kill a bear with a .45 magnum even if you did manage to hit it hours before he killed you. Grizzlies may become aggressive for a number of reasons. FRIEND HAD BEAR COME THRU WINDOW ONE NIGHT SO NUFF SAID. How many you need? Here are some tips on how to do just that: Many people have this question, and the answer is not a simple one. Bear will win every time. The accurate answer is "it depends". I lived in AK for a number of years in the early 70s and whenever I went fishing I carried a .44 magnum. 1. Caliber: .44 Magnum. Granted, the stopping power of any pistol is low, but the nonsense in your post about the .38 vs .45 makes everything else you say not credible. A handgun is just plain Darwinism in motion. I know hunters who routinely carry a bear defense pistol that they have never shot. WTF is your .44 doing up in a tree without your butt still attached to it? That poor bear, he was just turning his life around. The minimum caliber for black bear is .30-06 Springfield. When Jeff Newville faced his moment of truth with the grizzly, he barely had time to fire his revolver. I APPRECIATE BEARS PLACE IN NATURE, DO NOT HUNT THEM PERSONALLY ( ELK YES, TASTES BETTER TO ME) AND RESPECTFULLY KEEP MY DISTANCE WHEN POSSIBLE. What happened? The bear, during the attack, moved from one hunter to the other, giving Doug the chance to access Reeds .44 magnum, that had been hung in a tree. 5. Of which he found 29 accounts. Male grizzlies will defend their territory to the death. Hell, it wasnt even American. I had no expectation that the pistol would kill the bear. Mostly considered a revolver cartridge, the .44 Magnum is often chambered in rifles. Would I be able to stop a bear attack if it happened to me? Make sure to practice with your chosen firearm beforehand, and always check local regulations when traveling in bear country. The Army even ranted against the 30-40 Krag as being ineffective. The mot popular cartridge used against bears in terms of this compilation was the .44 Magnum, which is often cited by internet and forum warriors as the absolute smallest you should go in bear defense. DO NOT GO INTO LOT ABOUT GRAINS AND SUCH AS I THINK THESE INDIVIDUAL CHOICES BASED ON SHOOTERS PREFERENCE AND SITUATION. Assume those links are affiliate links, which means I may earn a commission if you click and buy. The number of large caliber rifle rounds that came out of that bastard were truly frightening. Well thought-out, well-researched, and well-said. Overall, the 44 magnum revolvers are lighter weight than the larger caliber handguns. He was about ten feet away coming up and over the initial log that I had tripped over. Do not take chances with this powerful ammunition if you are unsure about your shooting ability or if there is any doubt that a bear could be stopped with the round you are carrying, it is best to retreat and seek safety. Its the statement of a man who has experience, understanding, and appreciation. I know a guy who emptied his 9mm into a Black Bearkilled it well enough. Grizzlies may become aggressive for a number of reasons. Yes Im sure youve read 12,000 books on bear attacks and subscribe to bear attack monthly while you work out to bear attack shows. Woot! Grizzly bears enter a state of hyperphagia in the fall, a condition that provokes gluttony in preparation for winter hibernation. My uncle Dale dropped a charging sow with a neck shot at the same distance with a s&w 629. When hunting black bear, use a rifle with good sights and a scope. Im not criticizing him for that, but he didnt say it was his research. My partner had never been Face To Face with a Bear before, but he did well (said he never heard a word I said) You just do what you have to do, thats all. What is the title of Craig Boddingtons book? photo from thetruthaboutguns.com. Im thankful that Ive never had to defend myself against anything but an overly aggressive dog. The author carries a Glock 17 in 9mm or a Ruger in . 4. Clint Eastwood made the 44-magnum cartridge famous with his words Its the most powerful handgun in the world.. The 44 magnum does deliver less energy on target than the other calibers in our comparison tables. When I worked as a hunting guide, my boss introduced me to our hunters as PETA Joe, do to my love of critters, I dont trust bears, theyre hard to make friends with.
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