Some argue against the 4 cubits and a span reading by saying if Saul was head and shoulders taller than anyone else in Israel, and the average Israelite was 5 feet. I agree with you. In other words, he argues that the text should read 4 cubits and a span (you can find one of his articles, a response to Billington, here). This second figure seems impossibly low for a giant like Goliath and we might be tempted to automatically throw it out as a possibility. Let me begin by saying that I have not personally dug up any people from ancient Israel or anywhere else in the Middle East. This would have allowed the site to be used to predict the beginning of the rainy season, a very important survival skill. Where Will the Battle of Armageddon Be Fought? What about other texts like Book of Enoch and Book of Hasher that are referenced in Jude and Revelation? In the "Book of Enoch," the Nephilim begat by the Watchers and human women aren't the heroic "men of renown" of Genesis, but "great giants whose height was three thousand ells," which is more than 3,000 meters (~9,840 feet) tall. Some quick calculations make Goliaths height, according to the MT, to be about 8 feet 9 inches (8.875), and according to 4QSam(a) and the LXX to be about 6 feet 1 inch (6.125). The point of the article is to examine Scripture and see where the evidence leads. The region, known as the Bashan, is where Og the king came out against the Israelites at the time of their entrance into the Promised Land. The passage mentioning his fathers name has been clearly corrupted, leading to confusion. Descendants of Ham. The Inspiration Networks are considering the distribution channel for the film and expect to release Angels & Giants: The Watchers & Nephilim this fall. Being a veteran myself, I cant imagine being scared enough of a man only 1.5 taller than I am(63) that i wouldnt fight him. God bless, This seems highly plausible. Again, Im not sure how he defends that. Our tool can measure up to 10,000 meters, thats about 32,808.4 feet! Thank you for writing. Intentional Ambiguity as Literary Art. This article demonstrates that when we jump too quickly to a conclusion to explain an apparent contradiction, we may well come up with the wrong answer when a better answer is readily available. Actually, if you look at Goliath and the Philistine background, they are not descendants of the Nephilim. Thanks for the article it was good reading. 11:22). It would be akin today to saying that the only people who live in New York City are Americans, or the only people living in London are English. Where does one derive that figure? But the nephilim from The Bible should not be alive today, because they were all killed by Archangel Gabriel before the flood. The search takes them around the globe to Egypt, Peru and the United States, but most significantly, the docu-series begins in the Golan Heights in Israel. And, if anything, for those who call the Bible a fairytale of scribal whims, it makes them think again. If you check the Hebrew text, Goliath is never referred to as a giant. The Biblical measurement of an amah, literally the length of a forearm, is 9.2 inches, which would mean that Ogs bed was over 14 feet long and over six feet wide. Im sure Goliath was massive. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. The Bible describes the Nephilim in several places, Landa said. If you have done any archaeological work yourself, or if you have some credible archaeological sources that refute this stat, I would certainly be interested in knowing about those sources. Sorry for bad spelling. Its more realistic Goliath would have been in the high 7 foot range tops. . Thanks for your comments Mark. At 6 feet, 8 inches (202 centimeters) tall, the man would have been a giant in third-century A.D. Rome, where men averaged about 5 and a half feet (167 centimeters) tall. How To Recognize A Nephilim? Calvary Chapel Cork This dual arrangement, circles of stones near a serpentine mound, appears in several places around the world where it was known to be used as a necropolis for this form of burial, Landa explained. I forgot to mention that us average sized a people, Im five feet eleven inches, dont consider basket ballers giants. There are videos of a Chinese man thats a giant hes 7 something in the video and its not a cgi trick. Royal cubits varied from country to country. Ask yourself, is it possible that Goliaths parents, being good Philistines and giving Goliath a Philistine name, would give his brother the name Lahmi? As I have emphasized in other responses to this post, this has nothing to do with my belief in the inspiration of the Bible. Brothers and sisters, when we read a headline that reads, Warriors annihilate Rockets in Game 6, we dont actually think that one basketball team committed violence against another. Thank you for your very kind and encouraging words! But opting out of some of these cookies may have an effect on your browsing experience. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Biblical characters did often have more than one name as do monarchs. One such prehistoric serpentine mound is Serpent Mound in Ohio. These cookies do not store any personal information. It is also amazing to me that the basic reading at any level of understanding leads us to Gods central message to His people, difficult differences in culture notwithstanding. We'll assume you're ok with this, but you can opt-out if you wish. Different psychics and mediums claim that they can recognize Nephilim and people with Nephilim ancestry. Your explanation is one possibility and is put forth by a number of OT scholars. My point here is that the Bible indicates these people were large, but we have no specific measurements. 1) Such a claim is based on him having been an Anak and the claim that Anakim were descendants of Nephilim. The Smithsonian Museum would appear to have been the most notorious thief and misappropriated loser of relics and national archives in the history of the world. Hi Andy, Then, approximately 700 years later the Chronicler came along and tried to harmonize the conflicting stories of Goliaths demise found in 1 Sam. I still stand by my other observations (1,2,3). You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. The Hebrew text (MT) of 1 Samuel 17:4 lists Goliaths height at six cubits and a span, while a copy of the book of Samuel from the Dead Sea Scrolls (4QSam[a])along with copies of the Septuagint (LXX), list Goliaths height at 4 cubits and a span. For all you mathematicians that may be reading this, that is a two cubit difference. Either way, these creatures are becoming more and more popular in todays culture. Others, however, believe it is related to the Hebrew word "naphal," meaning "to No reason to question the inerrancy of the scriptures here? Being he was an Egyptian you might use the Egyptian cubit of 18 to 20. Seems pretty clear to me because they said they were like grasshoppers to themselves AND to the ones they saw. At 6 feet tall, my own span measures 8 3/10 inches. WebMany texts have confirmed Goliath as a Nephilim. Sometimes the MT is the superior reading and sometimes the LXX is. Shorter still, being between 8 & 99. i dont care when in history a human was born 6ft. Hofniel Hofniel is a really enigmatic angel. The Chronicles account only helps to clear up the confusion. God bless! This means that Goliaths actual height could have been anywhere between 6 feet 1 inch and 9 feet 9 inches. True Andy. 28-33) stated by unfaithful, disloyal, contradictory, embellishing spies who also contradict Moses, Caleb, Joshua, God, and the entire rest of the Bible, who make five assertions about which the rest of the Bible knows nothing, and whom God rebukes. What Are Demons? Well, Not Fallen Angels! 21:19 does) I would offer 3 arguments: Remember, the dinosaurs they were not exactly small in size. Unless some new manuscript discovery is found by the archaeologists spade, we will never be able to reconstruct what this text actually said. the gauls were about a foot taller than the Romans and the Romans didnt run away from conquering Gaul. Bible Places Yes, of course, the story is about Gods glory and power. Then discounting 9+ is foolish when we have seen Robert Wadlow at 811. My point in this article is not to come up with the most logical explanation in the sense that I doubt what the Bible teaches. This comment from you is egregious. (Genesis 6:14) More often than not its just easier to shrug our shoulders and move on to the story of Noah and his family. There are theories that claim that Og was buried at Gilgal Refaim, Landa said. 4. The closest corresponding entities in Greek mythology would be the people from the Golden Age or maybe the Bronze Age*, but neither is really a good fit at all. The Nephilim as they are known in the Bible simply dont exist in Greek mythology. *See Ages of Man - Wikipedia for an overview of the Five Ages of Man in Greek mythology Its a fascinating study and one that nicely demonstrates how the bible has been changed over time. Some scholars believe that Goliath the Gittite (an inhabitant of Gath) belonged to a race of people known as the Nephilim ( Genesis 6:1-4 ). One common explanation of Genesis 6 is that the Nephilim are the descendants of the sons of God (fallen angels) and the daughters of men. The NIV uses the word Nephilim. Hi Morris, Similarly, Gob is most likely a scribal error for Gath because Gath was Goliaths hometown, and if the text is speaking of Goliaths brother, he would presumably be from Gath also. Simply that we are often too hasty in our judgment of what is going on in the text. Not by rolling on treesCarried by huge men. In the apocryphal book of Enoch, I think some are given names, but I'm pretty sure Leviathan, Behemoth, and Goliath are not them. Take the footage of Conor McGregor (59) sparring with Hafthor Bjornsson (610). This article is an attempt to solve an interesting problem. nef'-i-lim (nephilim): This word, translated "giants" in the King James Version, but retained in the Revised Version (British and American), is found in two passages of Image from Arik. the worlds opinion is irrelevant. The point of this article is to discuss one small (pun intended) point of the story. Here, this is the best list I could find: 1. My problem with the baseline assessment is it is entirely based on the average height of a man from the ancient world being 55. They are believed to behave strangely, unnaturally and too controlled. There is not a few thousand years between the Hebrew text and the LXX. Thanks for the encouragement! 20:5. Thanks! So, someone decided to add a few cubits to Goliaths height making him 6 cubits and a span. We are discussing an argument which is irrelevant because the point here is to who belongs the credit, honor and glory is to GOD. For some, a person 99 is out of the realm of reality, and they would therefore be inclined to the more reasonable reading of 6 9 61. The explanation you offer also comes with an agenda and that agenda is clearly seen in your sarcasm toward the biblical accounts. I have no problem with that. Therefore, although the story in 1 Samuel 17 may not refer to Goliath as a giant, it seems certain that other passages indicate he was a descendant of the Nephilim. They sustain that these Nehpilim are, in fact, not Giants. However, if we adjust the size of the cubit and span to what would be more likely for an ancient Israelite, then, according to Billing, 16.5 inches would be a reasonable cubit and 7.5 inches would equal a span. The Bible does in fact describe them as very large people, but again nothing in the range that you are proposing. Thank you for not hammering those less equipped in the English language (me included) Hi David, David trusted God not his personal strength or past record in person successes. The story never refers to Goliath as a giant. It stretches all reason and reality to say that the Nephilim were 130 or 450 feet tall. Some Giants are as tall as the trees of Lebanon and those trees are described here as 130 tall Cedrus libani, commonly known as the cedar of Lebanon or Lebanon cedar, is a species of cedar native to the mountains of the Eastern Mediterranean basin. There was clearly a very intelligent design behind the site, Landa noted. Billington notes that an 18 inch cubit would mean the person was about 5 feet 8 inches (taller than most Israelites of this period). Knowing that the sons of God had sexual relations with the human race, that of course I mean the women. I believe in the cubic inches that Galiaths height and the Armies weight he wore was a giant probably approximately 99 almost ten feet tall giving God all the Glory that No matter how short or tall a man can be God is able to stand against anyone that defys this great God. I approach the text with a different set of presuppositions. Hays says that a scribe copying the manuscript accidentally looked down at verse 7 and saw the number 6 (as in six hundred) and copied it into verse 4. God bless! Clyde E. Billington, GOLIATH AND THE EXODUS GIANTS: HOW TALL WERE THEY?,, Descendants of the Nephilim in Genesis 14, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_the_Giant, https://www.biblestudywithrandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/10-The-Savior_The-Lord-Almighty-Reigns.m4a. 3. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. Saul is said to be head and shoulders above everyone else. The Bible does record some apparently healthy giants, but these are not the long-lived pre-Flood people. The most well-known giant is Goliath, whose height is described as "six cubits and a span". (1 Samuel 17:4) This would make him well over nine feet tall . Goliath was known as Goliath of Gath, and the people Gath seem to be a clan of giants. Archaeologists are quite responsible in logging and preserving their finds. Even though they were not blood related, the Israelites also shared some common characteristics with Canaanite people (even intermarrying with some!). 6 cubits and a span using an 18 inch system still puts Goliath between that 9 and 10 foot range. They often get confused by the world around them. My desire is to examine the text and to the best of my ability to understand which reading is the most likely. I research in my field of study but not in my religion. The word for cubit in verse 4 and hundredin verse 7 look very similar in Hebrew. Heres why 9 feet would be out of the realm of realism. First, we should not judge Goliaths height based on modern standards, but rather on ancient Near Eastern standards. Thanks, Randy. 9+ feet would indeed be a giant. Humans are NOT like whales who live in the ocean The Book of Enoch is quite explicit about the fact that the original Nephilim i.e., the ones that appeared prior to the flood were the children of rebellious angels and human women. I propose what we should do to put this into perspective, is not consider it a beauty pageant but a spiritual metaphor. I appreciate it! The most Billington estimates that a person who is 5 feet tall would have a span of about 7 1/2 inches. 1. The tallest man I believe is 89. Randy, I have found this article and comments to be very interesting! Like a cubit, the length of a span depends on the size of the person. We seek out actual proof, the traces and clues that are out there in the world, and not just the faith-based claims. Until they encounter a trigger that brings clearance. Because there is so much archaeological evidence that needs to be explored.. Goliath had much experience in war trainings a very tall man as a giant in Israel interpretations but true that King Saul was head and shoulders over every man stating he was just a tall man but with Goliath a GIANT. How were the Egyptian Pyramid stones and other monolith stones moved? According to Travis Sanders, many Nephilim look just like us, and they often dont even know what they really are. However, that is not the only explanation. WebThe Physical Features of Neanderthal Neanderthals were physically very strong and unquestionably tough, a physically impressive race. WebMale MC is estimated to be around 5'4. Calvary Chapel York We present the evidence and we invite people to research to reach their own conclusions, Landa said. What is interesting about the inscription is that the letters used are Hebrew/Canaanite letters. 6 feet tall). No the ancient Hebrews are not the same as any of the nationalities I listed. and 2 Sam. Thanks for your comments. Randy, I have heard a similar approach before by others, but it creates a whole new issue with the baseline that is more difficult to determine. Randy. 17:4 And there came out from the camp of the Philistines a champion named Goliath of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. However, this sounds more like some of the conspiracy theories you read on the web. I will have more to say about this below. All those 8 foot tall people today need canes to walk, so if he was a foot taller than them, just as Wadlow was (who also needed a cane to walk), how could he be a soldier if he couldnt even walk? These pictures of so-called Nephilim are dubious (see photo above on left). We should allow the same for ancient peoples and their languages. 3:11. By using the conventional 18 inch cubit and 9 inch span (both of which seem too large for an ancient Israelite), Goliaths height either comes to 9 feet 9 inches (MT), or 6 feet 9 inches (4QSam[a] and LXX). The bigger a person becomes, the harder it is on their organs. Neanderthal fossils lack the predominant chin of humans and a last set of molars. That is the way we all learn. God bless! Especially if the people have a past history of being part of that bordering culture. Lets throw that question out to other readers and see if anyone has some concrete information one way or the other. No one knows everything. Which makes them look like some kind of fairies. If you follow the story of Saul in 1 Samuel, it emphasizes his fear and lack of faith. Im not accusing anyone of anything here and I dont begrudge you a differing opinion. Of course, they might also choose to adopt a Philistine name such as Goliath.The Anakim are also said by the biblical writer to have remained in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod (Josh. That doesnt mean the solution reached in this paper is the correct solution for every apparent contradiction. Could the later manuscripts have inflated the number because the cubit of their day was calculated smaller (thus needing to increase the cubit in the manuscript)? Randy. Leave a comment Keeping in mind we do not know which cubit was being used, it seems to me that the evidence favors 4 cubits. Great read by the way. In their insatiable hunger, the monstrous Nephilim eat all of mankind's food, and when the food runs out, Look at all the ones in recorded history, they all needed canes to walk meaning so too did Goliath. In Hawaii Smithsonian collaborated with the Bishop Museum on our Hawaiian Islands relics and artifactswe ARE outraged still that our ancestors are NOT at rest stored in a wooden box in a foreign country or on display. Mostly through Patterns of Evidence and a YouTube video I saw when he talked about the need to revise Egyptian chronology. A final point I would make is that there are some scholars who believe that the text of 1 Chron. The Bible DOES NOT say he is from Gob only that is where the battle took place and where Elhanan slew him. Nephilim, in the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament ), a group of mysterious beings or people of unusually large size and strength who lived both before and after the Flood. Just like modern day basketball players. By the time David was born, there were no more giants, descendants of giants who were less than 10 feet tall, as well as tall men were around however. Your email address will not be published. a grasshopper is not a foot shorter. 3:1-11). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_the_Giant, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Khali, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wadlow, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rogan. His son King Solomon was originally called Jedidiah. You are, of course, welcome to respond. Physically, they were not different than us. For example, as Im sure youre aware, a potsherd has been discovered in Gath with letters that resemble the name Goliath (also noted in an article on this blog about Philistine cities). The name Jaare-Oregim is incorrect and the Oregim has been accidentally copied from the statement of the weavers beam later in the verse. We also know that the Philistines adopted Semitic gods worshipping Dagon as one example.
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